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Gauthier Rejects Simon Gagne

The braying fools are in a tizzy again.

Habs General Manager Pierre Gauthier has made a blunder for the ages! He told Simon Gagné that he wasn’t going to do the equivalent of grabbing his ankles while bending over backwards to have him for 1 year.

Good for Gauthier, says I.

Yes, I know. Gagné is a proven scorer and has been for a decade. He’s also injury prone, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good piece of fiction.

Gagné and his 5+ million dollar contract was made expendable once the Flyers brought in Nikolai Zherdev. As the story goes, Gagné’s agent phoned Canadiens GM Gauthier before anyone else and asked if there was interest, and if a deal could be made.

“Thanks, but no thanks…no cap room” was the response from the Habs.

Apparently that’s not a good enough answer for many who see the salary cap as nothing but a minor detail. For some, it would have been better to pull the trigger on the deal for the all-star forward and worry about the cap situation later. But is that the smartest thing to do? Gagné was on record as saying that he would have been willing to try Montreal for a year, and see where it goes. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the Canadiens would not have the means next year to sign Gagné to a long-term deal next season. Yes, Markov, and Hamrlik come off the books. Right there is 11 million in cap room saved. There’s also a bunch of RFAs that will come around again, and potential captain Josh Gorges will be seeking a raise. Oh, and don’t the Canadiens do a lot better with Markov in the lineup? That’s right, they do.

In order to make the deal happen now, the Canadiens would have had to send a prospect or a a player that makes next to nothing to Philadelphia for Gagné. The Flyers were not in a position to take on any additional heavy salary. But taking on Gagné also puts the Canadiens well over the cap, and Carey Price (and 2 more depth players) have yet to sign. Wait, it gets stickier. In order to make room for a top-6 forward, Gauthier would then have to move a top-6 forward. We know Gomez, Plekanec, Gionta and Cammalleri aren’t going anywhere. This leaves Benoit Pouliot and Andrei Kostitsyn as potential moveable pieces. Moving Pouliot and his 1.35 million dollar deal isn’t enough to get the Habs back under the cap. So that leaves no other option except moving Andrei Kostitsyn and his 3.25 million dollar deal. “No biggie”, many fans would say. “Good riddance”, many others would say. Not only would Kostitsyn have to go, but probably another lowly paid player in order to bring back the buffer zone under the cap would have to be dealt.

Does moving Kostitsyn make sense in this case? He will be a restricted free agent at the end of next season, and at the age of 26, will be entering his prime. He’s not worth moving now solely to make space for a more expensive player that would not deliver all that much more than Kostitsyn can, if he’s engaged, used properly and healthy. Yes, Gagné is a much more proven scorer than Kostitsyn. Yes, Kostitsyn had only 15 goals last year. That was an off year, an abberation, and everyone should know it. He’s far more likely to net 25 than 15 again, and we all know he could easily hit 30 if things go right for him. Under Jacques Martin’s system, Gagné would be lucky to hit 30 goals – if he stayed healthy. We’ve not even spoken about if Gagné is a fit with the Canadiens. With Gionta and Cammalleri established as snipers on the team, and on the powerplay, is there enough ice for a 3rd highly paid sniper? In a defensive, passive system where the Canadiens play shorthanded more than they do with the man advantage? Probably not.

At next season’s end, we’ll see just how much Gagné wants to play in Montreal. He’ll be an unrestricted free agent, and if he wants to be here so badly, he’ll listen closely to Pierre Gauthier, if Gauthier so chooses to make a pitch for his services.

I don’t truly believe that Simon Gagné wanted to be here, at least not for the long-term. What we’ve been witness to is “public relations” and “saving face”. I believe that Gauthier was prudent in not trying to move mountains to bring in a highly paid, injury prone (yet terrific) player. We’ve been down the road of giving up a lot for the services of a talented Quebec-born player for a single season before, and we saw how that went.

Remember Alex Tanguay?

  • http://www.cowhideandrubber.com Kyle

    @davidglasberg
    I’ll give you points for creativity!

    The Habs are currently at $55.7 million, leaving them $3.7 million below the cap. If you added Belanger and Afinogenov for a total of $3.5, you would be left with only $200,000 left to sign Price and 2 depth players. Your solution to that is to bury Hamrlik in the minors. Yes, that would free up cap space. But the Habs are NOT going to do that. No chance. Zero. The Molsons just blew $575 million and now they’re going to start eating salary? No way. Besides, the Habs will need Hamrlik in the worst way while Markov recovers.

    But for argument’s sake, let’s bury Hamrlik. Now the Canadiens have about $5.5 to work with. Your proposed trade for Savard reduces that number to $1.5 million (by the way, who is Gauthier trading for Savard? And who says Savard wants to be a 3rd line center?). Then you suggested signing Mitchell for $2 million, putting the Habs over the cap by $0.5 million. Theo’s signing leaves the Habs $1.5 over the cap (what about Alex Auld???), and you still have to sign 2 more depth players in case of injury, and you want some buffer for the trade deadline. How are you going to get that space? In your scenario, you need to trim about $3.5 million from the payroll to get under the cap, and have some buffer for injuries or trade deadline acquisitions…..and…..GO!

    Now the funnest part of all…the off season. Come June 30th 2011, your only unrestricted free agents are Gill, Markov and Gorges. How are you going to resign Markov, Gorges and your RFAs? Pouliot, Kostitsyn, Lapierre and probably others will be up for renegotiation as well. Where is your cap space coming from?

    Anyway, that would be a year from now and lots can happen. But from the perspective of this season…there’s almost no way your team is reasonable or practical, considering the cap situation.

  • davidglasberg

    maybe signing Afinogenov and Belanger for $1.75 million each would be interesting.
    move hamrlik to the minors and sign mitchell for $2.0 million.
    These moves would save team $1.0 million in cap space.
    then trade for Savard at $4.0 million.
    Should have signed Theo for $1.0 million for 4 years. He could help Price.
    Theo would be perfect.
    Plekanec – Cammalleri – AK
    Gomez -Gionta – Pouliot
    Savard – Afinogenov – Eller
    Belanger – Lapierre – Pyatt

    Markov – Gorges
    Spacek – Suban
    Mitchell – Gill

    Price – Theodore

    $38.5 million for 13 forwards
    $17.4 million for 8 defencemen
    $4.0 million for 2 goalies and laraque buyout

    $60.3 million minus $1.0 – 1.5 million for Markov LTI

    Seems like a better team than what exists at the moment.

  • http://www.habswatch.blogspot.com HabsWatch

    @Stevo

    Gauthier knows exactly who much cap he has to work with and how willing/unwilling potential trading partners are in taking on salary. Judging by the piss-poor market for UFAs and even RFAs… which surprised me… you literally have to pay teams to take salary off your hands. I would think that this far into the off-season, Gauthier’s “not interested” was more like a “it’s just not possible Simon”.

    Sure, I’d be great to see another top tier Francophone player on the Habs again but we need to be realistic as well. Since 2000, the QMJHL’s top Quebec-born player is Jason Pominville, followed by Bergeron. Picking them over other “similar” talents outside the first round cost us David Backes so we’d have Lapierre to stick on billboards and do media.

    In the end, just win baby. Nothing shuts people us faster than a winning team since nobody worth a damn gives a damn where a Montreal Canadien player was born if they’re producing and giving an honest effort.

  • Stevo

    You know what, you guys are probably correct, that being that in the end, it would of cost too much (in prospects/youth) to get rid of enough salary to sign him.

    What i mostly deplore is what looks like to have been an automatic “not interested” on PG’s part, and maybe i’m wrong, but i don’t feel he actually took anytime to really analyze the situation to determine IF there was anything that could be done.

    I really don’t want to open a French/Quebecer conversation but i will say that it’s not every day you have a French Quebecer of his talent, showing his interest in coming to Montreal. Could anything have been done? Maybe not, but I still feel more time could have been spent on really trying to see how this could work. And if that was actually done, well then shame on me.

    How much do we miss hockey that were even still talking about this? lol ;)

    Will be interesting how things pan out during this upcoming season with big contracts coming to end.

  • http://www.cowhideandrubber.com Kyle

    Yeah, the Flyers got next to nothing for Gagne, but he’s still a big gamble. I don’t like the idea of having to ship out 3 guys for 1 guy – for 1 year! The Flyers would not get a roster player from the Habs – they can’t take the pay, and we can’t sacrifice the cheap roster talent. So we’d lose a prospect.

    The Habs currently have $55,696,727 committed to the cap. Adding Gagné’s 5.25M pushes that to 60.91 million, and Price hasn’t yet signed, plus two other depth players need to be added. Let’s budget 0.5 million for each of those 2 players and 2.5 for Price, for an additional 3.5. Now the cap is 64.41 million. Remove Kostitsyn, and we’re down to 61.16 million. In other words, we are still 1.76 million over the cap.

    Please remove 1.76 million from the current lineup, in a realistic way (moving Hamrlik isn’t one of those options. It just isn’t). In this case, we would essentially be trading Kostitsyn for nothing, because teams would know how desperate we would be to dump him. As much as you may not like AK46 (I’m not his biggest fan either), trading him for a 3rd round pick – or lower – is unnacceptable. We are too quick to forget the price we paid for Tanguay. Look who Calgary drafted with that 1st rounder!

    At this point, it should become clear that we would be flushing out young talent from a system that until Gauthier restocked it with Eller, Schultz, and Boyd was void of young depth. And now you want to liquidate them so that we can have an injury prone Simon Gagné for ONE year (he ain’t resigning)??

    Let alone the fact that we never even discussed whether or not Gagne actually fits in the system. There’s still one puck, and we’ve got snipers already. Do we need another offensive forward in Martin’s passive system? I think the answer to that is again, no.

    I completely agree with you that this season may be a tough one. But I don’t think adding Gagne changes all that much, even if he’s healthy – and that’s a BIG if. The cost is too high and the potential return is not high enough to pay such a steep price for his services.

  • http://www.habswatch.blogspot.com HabsWatch

    Excellent article Kyle. Even if the call to Gauthier really did happen, it was nothing more than typical tire kicking so people are getting bent out of shape over something that wasn’t practical in the first place. Glance around the league and you’ll see that most teams with cap space are sticking to their own self-imposed budgets or are intentionally staying well under due to CBA uncertainty. It’s also easy to spot the teams with high salary players they just can’t move, even if they wanted to.

    For anyone to suggest the Habs aren’t really in bad shape with the cap is just misinformed and anyone who’s been watching the Canadiens should know they run a tight financial ship. The Habs are cutting their cap space razor thin and couldn’t move enough space in any trade(s) to fit Gagne’s one and run contract anyway so it’s a non-starter and Gagne knew it… or at least his agent should have.

    Fans need to start thinking more about the financial implications of moves because that’s the reality of the cap era. I for one, hope the fantasies that Geoff Molson would agree to bury Hamrlik’s $5.5 Million in Hamilton after spending $575 Million on the team would stop, let alone the belief that buying out Hamrlik is a viable option as well.

  • http://n/a Stevo

    I kinda agree with George on this one, for only 1 year, i would have tried to make it happen.
    It would of cost us practically nothing to get him, for that reason, i would have no problem getting rid of Andrei for nothing, and if the plan fails, you don’t resign Gagne next year and that’s the end of that. Had we needed to move an extra player, i’m sure that we could have found a way before next season’s start.

    I still see a lot of people defending Andrei but i’ll be very blunt, i can’t wait for the day he’s gone out of Montreal. I don’t disagree that he’s capable of scoring 30 goals, but the fact is he never has.

    As for Gagne, he’s surpassed 30 goals 4 times in his career, including 2 seasons above 40, one of which was 47.

    I guess in the end, my point is, we’d be a better team with him then without. Yes he’s been somewhat injury prone lately, but we can’t predict the future, and for all we know, Andrei could get injured himself.

    Great read, thanks Kyle!
    Stevo

  • http://www.thecheckingline.com Prax

    Did you see what the Flyers got for Gagné? For a season, and the potential benefit he could have provided, it was pretty dumb to not even entertain the idea. It’s 5 million in cap money, but it’s only for 1 season and he wouldn’t be as expensive next year unless he scored 50 goal. Moreover, he’s much more reliable and just as tough as Kostitsyn, even if he’s smaller. Both are injury prone, but when Gagné is healthy, he’s guaranteed to perform. Kostitsyn isn’t.

    Find a place like LA or Nashville to drop Andrei, and trade some no-name prospect or player to Philly for Gagné. It wouldn’t have been that difficult.

    People get all crazy over the cap, but they really aren’t in that bad shape this season. When teams like New York, New Jersey and Philly sign players left and right regardless of the cap implications, you have to respond and attempt to improve your team, no matter how difficult it would be to get it to work.

    Next year there will be some cap issues, fine, but does that mean we have to sacrifice this upcoming season just because Gauthier might find it hard the year after? As it currently stands, nearly every team outside the Panthers got better since May, and the Canadiens are the exact same team as they were last year, minus the goalie that got them there (or frankly any starting goalie at all at the moment). But hey, Gauthier’s too busy to try and work out the cap and sign or trade for some players that might improve the team.

    As it stands, this team is going to have a very hard time making the playoffs, no matter what they did last season.


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